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Fri, Nov. 20th, 2009, 08:06 pm
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Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 02:21 am (UTC)

Do you have picture of the loaded mag?

Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 02:44 am (UTC)

I do not. The only magazine I have is a 3D printed prototype. It is not pretty, though it is functional. I'll have photos of the finalized mags for you in early December. The mags are double-column and feed from alternate sides, much like Uzi mags. A loaded magazine with 30 rounds weighs only 5.5oz.

Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 04:34 am (UTC)

Thanks, keep us posted. Interesting idea, to put something like this in production. Can make good survival gun.
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Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 05:24 am (UTC)

I think it is close in design to the Suomi "coffin mag" -- the two rows are partly separated and so avoid horizontal rimlock. I should have mass-production magazines shortly and will post a range report and videos.

Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 02:27 am (UTC)

Oh My God!!! It's like the old Grendel P-30, only sexier!!!!!.....TC

Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 02:37 am (UTC)

And approximately the same ballistics as a FiveseveN with civvie-legal ammo :-D.

Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 02:40 am (UTC)

To be fair, 40gr 22mag yields 1230fps and 30gr 1450fps, while 5.7 runs about 1700-2000fps, but the ammo is less than half the price and available in a variety of bullet types.

Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 02:40 am (UTC)

And you get 30 round mags instead of 20s.

Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 06:49 am (UTC)

But they have very similar wound patterns:


Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 03:18 am (UTC)

What's the rate of twist in the barrel? Or, to ask a different way, what's the heaviest projectile it will stabilize properly?

Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 03:19 am (UTC)

Should be 50 grains at least.

Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 03:54 am (UTC)

Nice targeted advertising! (no pun intended, honest)

Backpacking Light had a review about a 19 ounce .22 pack rifle this month but I can't seem to dig it up. :(

Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 03:57 am (UTC)

My mistake: only 16 ounces and I couldn't find it because it was on the BPL owner's blog instead of the main site.

Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 03:59 am (UTC)

To be fair, 5-something ounces of the PMR30's weight is the magazine with ammunition.

Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 04:04 am (UTC)

Hey, 19 ounces on that keltec is awesome. Weight and profile is one of the reasons I carry my keltec P32 at least as often as a Glock. I really buy into that "the best gun is the one you have with you" concept.

Edited at 2009-11-21 04:04 am (UTC)

Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 04:08 am (UTC)

PMR30 vs. P32. I carry P32 as backup -- PMR would only make sense if concealment wasn't as important as accuracy and effectiveness.

P32 is lighter and smaller.
PMR30 has almost 4x magazine capacity
Muzzle energy almost the same, with 22WMR having better penetration but smaller wound channel. PMR would be by far easier to aim and fire accurately.

Vs. folding rifle -- PMR is always ready for use and carries 31 rounds vs. 1 round of Pak-rifle. But it does not double as a fishing rod.

Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 04:15 am (UTC)

PMR vs. S&W317 kit gun (3" barrle)

Longer sight radius
Similar weight
Double the muzzle energy
Jacketed ammunition for more penetration
Almost 4x capacity and faster reloading
Flatter, though longer and taller.

Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 04:19 am (UTC)

If nothing else, it sounds like an awesome BUG.

I'm a really, really big guy. A full size BUG isn't out of the realm of possibility for me. :)

Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 07:05 am (UTC)

I love .22 mag. I've actually been looking for the compact version of the AMT Automag. I think I can stop looking.

Sat, Nov. 21st, 2009 04:30 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous): pistol and rifle

Bring both the PMR-30 and that lightweight rifle and you would have the lightweight backpacking equivalent of a Winchester and a Colt. They would make quite a combo for extended wilderness travel. The pistol with it's 30 round capacity is much better suited to self defense than the rifle. The rifle would be better suited to collecting small game for food. That rifle could easily be chambered for .22WMR to match the pistol. The two guns together would still weigh less than an AR-7.

Sun, Nov. 22nd, 2009 08:51 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous): 30 rd 22wmr

grendell made one way back when (the 80s) in s/a with 5 on 6in barrels and optional muzzle break, methinks called a model II. They also had a .30carbine (model III) and .44mag version (model IV). Would love a model III.

Thu, Nov. 26th, 2009 07:31 am (UTC)
(Anonymous): I wear my sunglasses at night

Fired that in low-light yet? I imagine the muzzle flash will be... NOTICEABLE.

I wonder how much lower the velocity from 22WRF will be? If this thing takes off and the WRF turns out to be a sweet pussycat load for it, I wonder if it might inspire CCI to turn out WRF at more than once every 5 year intervals? :D

Its all good; even tho' I have no expectation of getting one [not much point in a 30rd pistol hobbled to 10rds in the PRK], I applaud K-T for expanding the envelope of options available to shooting sports enthusiasts who still reside in free America!

Sun, Jan. 3rd, 2010 10:32 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous): AWESOME

The first handgun in a long time that I have a burning desire for. What a great gun for all around wilderness carry. More whallop than a .22lr and less weight and higher capacity than a .22 mag revolver. I so want one!!! Might also make a good home defense gun, I doubt .22 mag V-max will have the over penetration issues of center fire hollow points.

Sat, Feb. 6th, 2010 06:20 pm (UTC)

For home defense, a shotgun wins. One pull of the trigger = equivalent of a whole magazine of PMR-30 with No. 4 buckshot, plus even less penetration, and I can rack the slide in well under a second for a follow-up shot.

But this would be exactly the kind of thing that my 84 year-old grandmother might consider -- a) it's a gun, and when you need a gun there really is no substitute, b) it's light and doesn't recoil very much, c) it will shoot all day long with a 30-round magazine, d) ammo is cheap enough to actually practice with. It will also be a good intermediate step between the Walther P22 and the Glock 17 for my kids. Sign me up!