olegvolk:

Oleg Volk (

olegvolk) wrote,
@ 2008-11-30 19:05:00

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kot_begemot
2008-12-01 01:29 am UTC (link)

While in general I agree that a trained armed person may have done quite a lot to defend themselves and others from a single terrorist attack (as has been proven numerous times in accidents in Israel where civilians killed the terrorists before police forces arrived), I must tell you this particular argument (i.e. time of response) in this particular case does not seem to be valid.
When it comes to anti-terrorist operations, you typically do not want them to start right away. First and foremost, the squad needs time to prepare. Also, the level of awareness of the terrorists diminishes with the time.
Thus, the really tough question that ought to be asked about the latest operation in Bombay (Mumbai) is not "why it took them too long", but rather "what was the reason for such a haphazard attack with such grim results". In particular, more preparation may have helped saving more lives - both of the hostages and of the Indian commando officers.

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	azreel 2008-12-01 02:01 am UTC (link)
	Really? Try this in Texas. Such an attack might last 120 seconds. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

kot_begemot
2008-12-01 02:22 am UTC (link)

Well, carrying a gun and using it efficiently are two different things. While armed citizens may be a restrain for petty crime and random violence, in the case of well trained and organized terror it is hardly a factor.
That is to say, ten well-trained bastards stood probably equal chance of carrying out the same in Texas as at any other place, save for those ones where people do not merely own and carry, but actually have served in active military and had a chance or two of using their weapon.

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	azreel 2008-12-01 02:26 am UTC (link)
	except in India, the normal populace would not be allowd to carry such weapons. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	olegvolk 2008-12-01 02:40 am UTC (link)
	Look at this photo of a terrorist taken in Mumbai: His rifle isn't even loaded! Terrorists are not super humans and often indifferently trained. So even a poorly trained person would stand a much better chance with something as little as a .22 pistol vs. being unarmed and thus subject to being killed at leisure. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	kot_begemot 2008-12-01 02:46 am UTC (link)
	Not in this particular case - the terrorists actually were engaged in some sort of negotiations, st least they were ready to discuss some conditions. In such a case the more time is bought in such negotiations the better. The ultimate success of the rescue operation depends on proper preparation which requires time and information. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	maineshark 2008-12-01 03:44 am UTC (link)
	"The ultimate success of the rescue operation depends on proper preparation which requires time and information." The most successful "rescue operation" is the one that never occurs, because the terrorists were killed in their initial attempt. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	tomcatshanger 2008-12-01 04:06 am UTC (link)
	Columbine showed the silliness of waiting and waiting. Virginia Tech also showed the silliness. Mumbai is another example of the good folks bleeding out and being murdered while the good guys are ineffective in their response. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	reytsman 2008-12-01 04:07 am UTC (link)
	Couldn't care less. In a situation like that I want a gun. When you are boxed in feet become useless. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	miko_york 2008-12-01 08:23 am UTC (link)
	Great as usual. Thank you! (Reply to this)

	ilcylic 2008-12-01 01:16 pm UTC (link)
	What is that arsenal stamp behind the guy in the middle pic? (Or is that part of the Indian Flag?) (Reply to this) (Thread)

	ilcylic 2008-12-01 01:17 pm UTC (link)
	Ah, the latter. Note to self: check google first. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	dumpedbyv 2008-12-01 08:54 pm UTC (link)
	TERRORISTS IN INDIA WERE CLINGING TO GUNS AND RELIGION (Reply to this) (Thread)

	dumpedbyv 2008-12-02 11:32 am UTC (link)
	KKK members are clinging to guns and religion too (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	kbarrett 2008-12-02 07:14 pm UTC (link)
	Local police also cling to their guns. Are you calling all cops terrorists, or calling them KKK members? Learn some logic skills before posting. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	Proposal (Anonymous) 2008-12-02 09:39 am UTC (link)
	Heya Oleg I'd move the "In India, I cannot" further down... when I read it, I scan from "In America I can own" straight across and it doesn't work well... (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: Proposal elmo_iscariot 2008-12-02 02:56 pm UTC (link)
	I had the same issue and have the same suggestion. `:)` (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Use Gandhi (Anonymous) 2008-12-03 02:47 pm UTC (link)
	Mahatma Gandhi at some time said something to the effect that the biggest crime the brittish did against the indian people was to keep them disarmed. Being the father of mothern india it would probably be good to use his words against indias current regime. /Sprithitler http://swedishsurvivalist.egetforum.se (Reply to this)

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