olegvolk:

Oleg Volk (

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@ 2007-04-16 15:32:00

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	badkalla 2007-04-16 08:36 pm UTC (link)
	Right on. (Reply to this)

	dd_b 2007-04-16 08:41 pm UTC (link)
	Although the vast majority of college students are under 21. Yeah, I'd favor changing that age limit to 18, or removing it entirely, too. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	radarrider 2007-04-16 09:27 pm UTC (link)
	There are also the professors and other faculty. Though, being a college, most professors are probably closer to the liberal end of the spectrum with its attendant views on personal firearms ownership and concealed carry. This is just a guess, though; VT could be different. In any case, even one or two armed individuals could have dramatically reduced the death toll. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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	ilcylic 2007-04-16 08:41 pm UTC (link)
	Damn. That's spot on. (Reply to this)

	sam_newberry 2007-04-16 08:42 pm UTC (link)
	Гораздо сильнее, чем первый вариант. Очень... шокирует. В хорошем смысле слова "бьет по восприятию". (Reply to this) (Thread)

	leon_85 2007-04-16 08:57 pm UTC (link)
	+1 (Reply to this) (Parent)

	It's either too early or too late for this... (Anonymous) 2007-04-16 09:16 pm UTC (link)
	Either way, your timing is off. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: It's either too early or too late for this... darthzeth 2007-04-16 10:56 pm UTC (link)
	Fear in the hearts of good men caused this. Fear should be inspired in the hearts of bad men BY good men. Do not be afraid to speak the truth. ever. (Reply to this) (Parent)

dd_b
2007-04-16 09:19 pm UTC (link)

Further thinking -- if you change the second text to "would have helped *make* them safe", you aren't left claiming that a law change definitely would have helped (it's permissible rhetorical overstatement IMHO, but still best avoided IMHO), and the "helped" is echoing the phrasing of Hincker's statement, so it actually *increases* the rhetorical focus on "feel" vs. "make" which is the main point of this poster.

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	igorilla 2007-04-16 09:22 pm UTC (link)
	Убивает не оружие, убивают люди (Reply to this)

	christeos_pir 2007-04-16 09:26 pm UTC (link)
	Suggest making the second line "...made them be safe." (Reply to this) (Thread)

	mzmadmike 2007-04-17 02:50 am UTC (link)
	THat's clunky grammar and I think passive voice as well. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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niteshad
2007-04-16 10:53 pm UTC (link)

Today's events were tragic, and I agree with Oleg and others that a gun in the hand of one of the good guys on the scene might have mitigated the death toll.

What doesn't exactly add up for me was the time-line of events. At 7:30am, this guy shoots up a dorm and kills several people. Then the students all go to class, and he's given two hours to wander around campus and find the Engineering classrooms where he shoots still more people. Then the school goes into crisis mode, locks down all of the buildings, cancels classes and tells everyone to stay inside because there's a gunman on the loose.

Why wasn't all of that done at 7:30-8:00am in the morning. The tragedy of the first shooting was unforseeable; however, the second shooting might have been avoided by prompt action on the part of the University Administration.

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	heypete 2007-04-17 12:20 am UTC (link)
	Probably because most of the students were sleeping at 7:30am, and it's not uncommon for students to sleep through class or otherwise not attend class. Once the school was properly "open for business" in the sense of conducting classes, the shooting would likely have raised more attention. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	blueingenue 2007-04-17 12:01 am UTC (link)
	Today, students don't feel safe. Some students feel shot. Some no longer feel anything at all. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Are you ok? retiqlum 2007-04-17 08:48 am UTC (link)
	You don't sound like you feel safe at all. You know that most of the readers of this LJ are perfectly capable of protecting you. Hell, I know of at least two (including me) who would travel large distances to make sure you're ok. So again I ask: are you OK? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	slamonella 2007-04-17 12:47 am UTC (link)
	Oleg, I love ya, but the mere ability to carry firearms doesn't make anyone safe. If anything, the last line should read "would have given them a chance to protect themselves." The message needs to get out, but it has to be the right message and it needs to be the truth. Otherwise we just end up looking like deluded, right wing looneys. (Reply to this) (Thread)

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slamonella, 2008-10-09 05:46 pm UTC

Here's that opportunity...
(Anonymous)
2007-04-17 01:06 am UTC (link)

For years, we've speculated about the ability to hold accountable those in authority who have made it unlikely, if not impossible, to defend oneself in such a situation.

By decreeing that certain methods of self-defense [as if they aren't inherently the purview of the individual!?!] are unacceptable, the "authorities" at Virginia Tech guaranteed a "gun-free" campus!

Helpless faculty, staff and students in the face of an onslaught by an armed man who ***knew*** that he would be facing only ***unarmed*** victims was the result!

In this case, the track record couldn't be clearer...and I predict the first of many lawsuits, civil ***and*** criminal, will be filed before the month closes.

Bravo! I want to see careers destroyed, fortunes forfeited, authorities bankrupted, university assets distributed to the parents, siblings, children and other parties of murdered individuals who died because they were forced to follow an outrageous violation of the most basic human right...that to survive using any means necessary in self-defense.

Set your watches now...

...Alex

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Re: Here's that opportunity...

oldcurlywolf
2007-04-18 03:52 am UTC (link)

Alex,
Absolutely the twit might never have made it out of the DORM, if the students and faculty who own and have licenses were allowed to carry on school property, odds are someone in that dorm would have been carrying. Or he would have died in the Norris building because someone was carrying and the deathtoll would have been fewer. OTOH as has been pointed out by others...if the students had fought back period the deathtoll wouldn't have been as high. There's anywhere between what? a couple dozen and 100 or better students in any given classroom. A couple dozen students, one psychotic homicidal, suicidal twit with a gun...

Wolfie

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Re: Here's that opportunity... - (Anonymous), 2007-04-20 01:29 am UTC

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	Just so you know (Anonymous) 2007-04-17 01:40 am UTC (link)
	You're an asshole. I hope you rot in hell for making a political issue out of a tragedy. Fuck you and the second ammendment. It is my sincerest wish that you become terminally ill. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: Just so you know tomcatshanger 2007-04-17 01:59 am UTC (link)
	Wait, you're not making a political issue by saying "Fuck you and the second amendment"? My, how hypocritical the idealists are. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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	Just so you know (Anonymous) 2007-04-17 01:42 am UTC (link)
	You're an asshole. I hope you rot in hell for making a political issue out of a tragedy. Fuck you and your propaganda. The shooter used two 9MM SIDEARM WEAPONS to kill 33 people (33 people whom you don't really give two shits about). It is my sincerest wish that you become terminally ill very soon and suffer to death. (Reply to this) (Thread)

Re: Just so you know

sinanju
2007-04-17 01:51 am UTC (link)

Apparently Jack Nicholson was right. You CAN'T handle the truth.

These "crazed" killers somehow always target schools, post office buildings and other places where they're almost certainly the other person with a gun. They somehow never try this shit on gun ranges, in gun stores, or at police stations.

Perhaps you should save your ire for the assholes using this crime to promote their agenda of more gun control when guns were already banned from the campus. Yeah, that'll work.

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	2percentright 2007-04-17 02:14 am UTC (link)
	Oh hell yeah, Volk. You just went up several points on the awesomeness flowchart for this poster. (Reply to this)

	Sad... (Anonymous) 2007-04-17 02:28 am UTC (link)
	Wow. Way to make a national tragedy into a platform for your political opinion. The blood spatter is very classy too, adds a lot of taste. Why don't you put some burning children on there too, "being christian would have saved them from Hitler" (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: Sad... mzmadmike 2007-04-17 02:56 am UTC (link)
	No, Oleg is making a political comment. THIS is what politicizing a national tragedy for money looks like: http://www.bradycampaign.org/ Any questions? (Reply to this) (Parent)

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	mzmadmike 2007-04-17 02:57 am UTC (link)
	"Could have made them safe" is the cleanest, easiest wrap up. (Reply to this)

	ann_totusek 2007-04-17 03:00 am UTC (link)
	Thank you Oleg. (Reply to this)

(Anonymous)
2007-04-17 03:28 am UTC (link)

Since possibility of confrontation would have deterred the shooter right?
WRONG!

It was a murder-suicide. He ended up dead. He knew what the end result was going to be: either he killed himself or police killed him.
Do you think that knowing that other students had guns and the fear of death would have scared him off?
I think not.
Yeah it might have stopped the shooter earlier on, but it would not have stopped him altogether.
Oh, and another thing: its scary enough mixing drunken college students with cars.. You sure you wanna add guns to that?

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sinanju
2007-04-17 03:51 am UTC (link)

Let me put it plainly, so you hard-of-thinking types might actually get the point.

Allowing the faculty, staff or students to go armed wouldn't have "deterred" this guy. It would have STOPPED him, violently and suddenly, when someone shot back.

These assholes never pick shooting ranges, gun stores or police stations to commit mass murder and suicide. They may be crazy, but they aren't stupid; getting ignominiously gunned down by their intended prey doesn't fit their power fantasies. No, they always go somewhere where they know everyone else has been disarmed for their convenience--by fools like you.

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	po6om 2007-04-17 05:18 am UTC (link)
	Хороший плакат. Олег, а есть где-нибудь некий сборник ваших плакатов? Может быть, слово "плакат" не совсем верно, но думаю, смысл вы поняли :) (Reply to this) (Thread)

	olegvolk 2007-04-17 05:21 am UTC (link)
	http://a-human-right.com (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	ikilled007 2007-04-17 08:03 am UTC (link)
	Item of Note: Whining anonymous pussies like the ones who took cheap shots at you in the replies to this post want us disarmed. Hmmm. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	olegvolk 2007-04-17 08:05 am UTC (link)
	It's OK. I will feed them to my pet vultures once I get tired of the whining. For now, they are entertaining in a "look at the retards" way. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2007-04-17 08:41 pm UTC (link)
	isnt it possible that this could lead to more shootings though? i believe that that would promote the anger amongst the students and probably just lead to more confrontation...right? i could be wrong, but it seems to make sense. (Reply to this) (Thread)

(Anonymous)
2007-04-17 09:53 pm UTC (link)

Every murder-enabler lobbyist has made that same prediction every time some state has made CCW lawful ... "there will be blood in the streets!".

And every time the murder-enablers have been proven wrong.

Any professor and any over 21-year-old student can CCW at VT ... it isn't against the law ... but they do risk being fired or expelled.

Blood is not running through the streets of the rest of VA, and shall-issue CCW has been the rule there for quite some time now.

/kbarrett

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marginaleye
2007-04-17 11:24 pm UTC (link)

There are only two "stable" options: (1) nobody is armed, or (2) everybody is armed. Since the United States can't wholeheartedly agree on option (1), and really make that stick, that just leaves option (2). People won't pull this kind of stupid crazy shit quite so often when any potential victim, however harmless-looking, might have the power to bring their spree to an abrupt and permanent end.

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(Anonymous)
2007-04-18 12:54 am UTC (link)

I don't think that the United States "wholeheartedly" agreeing on option 1 would matter as much as spit on a hit griddle.

Criminals would agree and smile, knowing that their victim base was growing.

Yes ... some people will go ahead and pull this kind of stupid crazy shit, but it would come to a sudden end with far fewer casualties if someone - or several someones - could defend themselves and shoot back.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-04-18 12:55 am UTC

Oleg Volk = Patriot
(Anonymous)
2007-04-18 12:40 am UTC (link)

Go Oleg Go!

Its unfortunate that these idiots seem to think the natural right to self defense is a political platform you're somehow benefitting from by promoting :P

Maybe one day they'll wake up, or maybe they'll end up robbed with a doubletap to the head and never wake up. What will it take before these idiots realize what "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" means? You don't gotta carry a gun if you don't want to, but you better not tell me I don't have a right to defend myself with deadly force if necessary.

P.S. Anonymous anti-human rights activists, PLEASE try to debate the issue, we'd love to have a good laugh while you frantically spew an emotional tirade that defies and redefines "logic" as it goes along.

http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/4.0/GunFacts4-0-Screen.pdf

Get educated, and stop perpetuating ignorant stereotypes and myths.

"The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance"

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	Re: Oleg Volk = Patriot (Anonymous) 2007-04-18 12:59 am UTC (link)
	Very good Oleg! This thread shows what type of people stand between the sheep and the wolves, and those who are absolutley clueless. Oh that's right, they are the sheep.. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	THE STUPIDITY OF A GUN BAN (Anonymous) 2007-04-18 07:02 pm UTC (link)
	YOU ARE SO RIGHT ON THE MONEY!! I WROTE THE SAME THING TO RUSH LIMBAUGH YESTERDAY. WHY DON'T THEY PUT UP SIGNS THAT SAY, "ATTENTION KILLERS...UNARMED SHEEP FOR THE TAKING. COME AND GET'EM!" IF I WAS PACKING AND SEATED IN THAT CLASS, I WOULD HAVE PUT A BULLET THROUGH THAT BASTARD'S HEAD AFTER THE FIRST SHOT. THESE LIBERALS ARE BEYOND STUPID, AND THEY ARE VERY DANGEROUS. (Reply to this)

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